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chick flicks | 24 comments (24 topical, 0 editorial, 1 hidden)

welllllllllll...HI...(a comment)... (none / 0) (#2)
by ceruleannina on Sun Aug 5th, 2001 at 05:57:35 PM PDT
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I voted for the "ambition in the back of a black car..." option 'cause it's great---even though I know you like it even more than myself & I'm just going to throw my own peronal favorite in here, since I'm feeling a little funny after a weird breakfast---

"My heart explodes. My memory in a fire. And someone will listen. At least for a short while. I can never say no to anyone but you."

And while I'm rambling (what a shock), I want to say---I love Chuck passionately. I'm pretty sure he knows this & I even have it on tape. He's seriously one of my top 10 favorite people on the planet...But I MUST comment on this "death to self serving poets" thing...

Now, it's a great line...But aren't ALL poets self serving???...Aren't they just being evasive, if they try to say they aren't???...I mean---if poetry were still in the spot that music now is, that would be one thing...But considering the general population doesn't even bother to READ it any longer---who are you doing it for???...

I write for MYSELF...I'm not embarrassed to say it...If I've got a monster under my bead & his pet parakeet in the closet & they're BOTH trying to get into my head & take it over---then, fuck yes---I'm going to kick them the hell out, in the interest of MY OWN SURVIVAL...And if I'm okay at using a pen as my weapon---then so be it, that's my arsenal...

If others relate, that's a bonus...It's a good thing...Maybe I can give them a quote that opens one of THEIR doors...Maybe an image the resonates with THEIR dream & we'll meet in that psychic space for a few seconds...Maybe someday I MIGHT even be able to buy a week's worth of groceries through it...It's an exchange...

But even if that NEVER happens---so what...If even ONE person has a MOMENT through, I truly believe that it's more than enough...But it ALWAYS begins with what you're doing for YOURSELF & ALL ART IS THIS WAY, in its seed form...And others being fed through it is just some fate & luck that sometimes happens...

I'd rather serve myself than the damn wolf, after all...

IF I WERE SUPPOSED TO DIE, I WOULDN'T BE ALIVE.

And (normally I'd put a "yay" here, but I realized that I say that way too fucking much)...

In the spirit of solidarity... (none / 0) (#3)
by Ruby Foo on Mon Aug 6th, 2001 at 12:16:08 AM PDT
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Allow me to punctuate your sentiments with a "yay" of my own, ceruleannina. I'm in complete agreement.

(Now, if only someone could convince the ubiquitous Mr. Hickey that poetry has merit... ;)

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Thank you. (none / 0) (#4)
by ceruleannina on Mon Aug 6th, 2001 at 01:26:54 AM PDT
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Yes, for once I'm actually going to keep it short...

So, thank you very much.

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Maybe You're Right; That's Why All the Poets Died! (none / 0) (#5)
by Dead Air (deadair3@lycos.com) on Mon Aug 6th, 2001 at 02:35:36 AM PDT
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Go to a church and they'll tell you to serve God.

Go to a high school Ethics class and they'll tell you to serve society

Go to a therapist and they'll tell you to serve yourself. Then they hand you a bill.

Actually I know the story behind that quote rather well. Chuck had gone with a good buddy to the Red Sky Poetry Theater Open Mic in Seattle (my first regular performance laboratory, actually, though I wasn't there that night.) He was inundated with 7 minute bouts of people masturbating on stage, wishing they could be rock stars but not having the balls to be in a band, all reading poems that started each line with "I". He scrawled the immortal words "Death to Self-Serving Poets" on his notebook and showed them to his highly amused friend. They've remained there ever since.

Now Chuck may seem like the most upbeat person you've ever met, and he is, but I can tell you he's capable of a deeper depression than any whiny moaning British fake-fag (though he reveres that sort in a way I never could.) When it comes to Gothic he didn't write the book, he's the tallow wax dripped all over the pages. You don't believe me? Go to the Dead Air Fresheners listing at MP3.com and listen to the poem "Posthumous Humus". While I'm sure he would in a certain sense include himself in the broadest definition of "Self-Serving Poets" (though he rarely if ever writes in 1st person, and definately reaches for more relevant material than "I-am-but-nothing-but-being" bullshit), this boy definately does NOT fear the Grim Reaper (were B.O.C. secretly the first Goth band?) Yes, even Emerson wrote a great deal about himself, but he wasn't doing a third-rate Iggy Pop or Peter Murphy impersonation at the time.

I hardly think your writing is like that either (actually mine is quite a bit more so, but I at least went and got a rock band to play behind that stuff.) Maybe some of our diary entries are a bit "I" heavy, but they're supposed to be diary entries, right?

Death, after all, the tarot reader always says is but a change, and many a bad writer is in need of just that.

Oddly, I do things other places.
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EXACTLY!... (none / 0) (#6)
by ceruleannina on Mon Aug 6th, 2001 at 01:56:23 PM PDT
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And I guess that's why I finally flat out refused to go to church any longer at 13---and can proudly say that I'm the only one in my immediate family who wasn't "confirmed" as a Christian!

And why I dropped out of high school at 17, even though I could have graduated with relatively little effort & sometimes wish I had.

And why I became so dissillusioned when I tried "therapy" that following summer---and would (frankly) rather hurl myself off the bridge around the corner than ever subject myself to such crap again!

Now that Chuck's quote has been returned to its proper context---it makes perfect sense...And its funny also, because when I first heard it---I instantly thought of the title of your comment...The perponderance of poets that have killed themselves, the ones that simply wish they had the guts to & the ones who are so entirely enraptured with the whole mess of everything, that it doesn't need to be said---they're dying in small bits each day, constantly. I mean, we all are---that's life & it's all intertwined, but perhaps it just bothers them a tiny bit more than your average person...Not to mention the "death" of poetry itself (have you noticed that each year now, during "National Poetry Month" all you see are a ton of articles about how poetry is OVER)...How touching...I would like to think that it IS only changing---Bring on the revolution...

And as for Chuck---I'm not shocked...I HAVE the record & yes, I've even listened to it!...It's great...But even before then (and it's hard to describe) I SENSED these things about him...Which is WHY I think he kicks ass so incredibly...I haven't known him anywhere near as long as yourself, have spent nowhere near as much time with him, etc...But I do somehow find myself worrying about him occasionally, which might be unneccesary, but it's not like I'm going to analyze it...So MY desire to adopt him probably has a couple more facets to it than the other girls in town...But since I can't cook, I'd make a shitty Mom...

Anyway, that's why it does sort of piss me off when I see people just thinking he's ALL about "Rockin", etc...Yes, he IS---and that IS genuine, but it's like---the more espansive your LIGHT is, the deeper your DARK, and then there's all that GREY in between...My REAL favorite shade, incidentally...

Now, I'm running late for work (again) & I'm feeling like a bit of a butthole for littering Deanne's entries with all of my ramblings...

Leaving the building (*EMOTIVE SIGH OF RELIEF*)...

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Saying What You Mean Does Not Count... (none / 0) (#9)
by Dead Air (deadair3@lycos.com) on Wed Aug 8th, 2001 at 04:41:52 AM PDT
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...When You Post Anonymously.

Yes there are varying degrees of anonymoty on this site, but for some reason (or motive) you chose the most extreme.

For the record, I am not only a cold-hearted friend, I am THE cold-hearted boyfriend. Believe it or not, Ms. SLeopard and I have talked long and hard about faithfullness, albeit in private. For me to comment about it here would be extremely tasteless in my own assessment. I don't believe drunken online ramblings are nescessarily a "cry for help", and I certainly don't remember "crying over poetry" myself (can you provide an example?)

(Now I'm going to go ahead and do a bit of what I just said I wouldn't do here...) SL is a wonderful girlfriend, and I love her very much. I continue to marvel at how well we fit together more each day. So if she has some issues with jealousy I really don't mind. Recent experience has taught me that it is much better if partners care about these things than if they don't. All I really need to do is live up to my own standards, which I intend to do.

You want a cry for help? Go listen to the Cure.

Oddly, I do things other places.
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