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the most tragi-romantic Cure quote ever.

i never thought that i would find myself in amongst the stone	0 votes - 0 %
i will kiss you, i will kiss you, i will kiss you forever, on nights like this. i will kiss you, i will kiss you, and we shall be together.	0 votes - 0 %
ambition in the back of a black car. in a high building there is so much to do.	0 votes - 0 %
the columns are all men begging to crush me	0 votes - 0 %
her legs around me, in the morning i cried.	0 votes - 0 %
he gets inside to stare at her, the seeping mouth, the mouth that knows, the secret you, always you.	0 votes - 0 %
no ships sail on the dark deep waves. and no flags wave me home.	0 votes - 0 %
went up toward the colors. shades of grey.	0 votes - 0 %
in caves all cats are grey, in caves the texture coats my skin	0 votes - 0 %
in the death cell, a single note rings on and on and on.....	0 votes - 0 %
sounds like a tiger splashing in the water splashing in the water	0 votes - 0 %

10 Total Votes

chick flicks | 24 comments (24 topical, 0 editorial, 1 hidden)

oopsies (none / 0) (#1)
by severedleopard on Sun Aug 5th, 2001 at 08:33:36 AM PDT
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i posted this the first time, mentioning my poll without actually posting it. shit. sorry, i'm a poopoohead.

welllllllllll...HI...(a comment)... (none / 0) (#2)
by ceruleannina on Sun Aug 5th, 2001 at 05:57:35 PM PDT
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I voted for the "ambition in the back of a black car..." option 'cause it's great---even though I know you like it even more than myself & I'm just going to throw my own peronal favorite in here, since I'm feeling a little funny after a weird breakfast---

"My heart explodes. My memory in a fire. And someone will listen. At least for a short while. I can never say no to anyone but you."

And while I'm rambling (what a shock), I want to say---I love Chuck passionately. I'm pretty sure he knows this & I even have it on tape. He's seriously one of my top 10 favorite people on the planet...But I MUST comment on this "death to self serving poets" thing...

Now, it's a great line...But aren't ALL poets self serving???...Aren't they just being evasive, if they try to say they aren't???...I mean---if poetry were still in the spot that music now is, that would be one thing...But considering the general population doesn't even bother to READ it any longer---who are you doing it for???...

I write for MYSELF...I'm not embarrassed to say it...If I've got a monster under my bead & his pet parakeet in the closet & they're BOTH trying to get into my head & take it over---then, fuck yes---I'm going to kick them the hell out, in the interest of MY OWN SURVIVAL...And if I'm okay at using a pen as my weapon---then so be it, that's my arsenal...

If others relate, that's a bonus...It's a good thing...Maybe I can give them a quote that opens one of THEIR doors...Maybe an image the resonates with THEIR dream & we'll meet in that psychic space for a few seconds...Maybe someday I MIGHT even be able to buy a week's worth of groceries through it...It's an exchange...

But even if that NEVER happens---so what...If even ONE person has a MOMENT through, I truly believe that it's more than enough...But it ALWAYS begins with what you're doing for YOURSELF & ALL ART IS THIS WAY, in its seed form...And others being fed through it is just some fate & luck that sometimes happens...

I'd rather serve myself than the damn wolf, after all...

IF I WERE SUPPOSED TO DIE, I WOULDN'T BE ALIVE.

And (normally I'd put a "yay" here, but I realized that I say that way too fucking much)...

In the spirit of solidarity... (none / 0) (#3)
by Ruby Foo on Mon Aug 6th, 2001 at 12:16:08 AM PDT
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Allow me to punctuate your sentiments with a "yay" of my own, ceruleannina. I'm in complete agreement.

(Now, if only someone could convince the ubiquitous Mr. Hickey that poetry has merit... ;)

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Thank you. (none / 0) (#4)
by ceruleannina on Mon Aug 6th, 2001 at 01:26:54 AM PDT
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Yes, for once I'm actually going to keep it short...

So, thank you very much.

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Maybe You're Right; That's Why All the Poets Died! (none / 0) (#5)
by Dead Air (deadair3@lycos.com) on Mon Aug 6th, 2001 at 02:35:36 AM PDT
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Go to a church and they'll tell you to serve God.

Go to a high school Ethics class and they'll tell you to serve society

Go to a therapist and they'll tell you to serve yourself. Then they hand you a bill.

Actually I know the story behind that quote rather well. Chuck had gone with a good buddy to the Red Sky Poetry Theater Open Mic in Seattle (my first regular performance laboratory, actually, though I wasn't there that night.) He was inundated with 7 minute bouts of people masturbating on stage, wishing they could be rock stars but not having the balls to be in a band, all reading poems that started each line with "I". He scrawled the immortal words "Death to Self-Serving Poets" on his notebook and showed them to his highly amused friend. They've remained there ever since.

Now Chuck may seem like the most upbeat person you've ever met, and he is, but I can tell you he's capable of a deeper depression than any whiny moaning British fake-fag (though he reveres that sort in a way I never could.) When it comes to Gothic he didn't write the book, he's the tallow wax dripped all over the pages. You don't believe me? Go to the Dead Air Fresheners listing at MP3.com and listen to the poem "Posthumous Humus". While I'm sure he would in a certain sense include himself in the broadest definition of "Self-Serving Poets" (though he rarely if ever writes in 1st person, and definately reaches for more relevant material than "I-am-but-nothing-but-being" bullshit), this boy definately does NOT fear the Grim Reaper (were B.O.C. secretly the first Goth band?) Yes, even Emerson wrote a great deal about himself, but he wasn't doing a third-rate Iggy Pop or Peter Murphy impersonation at the time.

I hardly think your writing is like that either (actually mine is quite a bit more so, but I at least went and got a rock band to play behind that stuff.) Maybe some of our diary entries are a bit "I" heavy, but they're supposed to be diary entries, right?

Death, after all, the tarot reader always says is but a change, and many a bad writer is in need of just that.

Oddly, I do things other places.
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EXACTLY!... (none / 0) (#6)
by ceruleannina on Mon Aug 6th, 2001 at 01:56:23 PM PDT
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And I guess that's why I finally flat out refused to go to church any longer at 13---and can proudly say that I'm the only one in my immediate family who wasn't "confirmed" as a Christian!

And why I dropped out of high school at 17, even though I could have graduated with relatively little effort & sometimes wish I had.

And why I became so dissillusioned when I tried "therapy" that following summer---and would (frankly) rather hurl myself off the bridge around the corner than ever subject myself to such crap again!

Now that Chuck's quote has been returned to its proper context---it makes perfect sense...And its funny also, because when I first heard it---I instantly thought of the title of your comment...The perponderance of poets that have killed themselves, the ones that simply wish they had the guts to & the ones who are so entirely enraptured with the whole mess of everything, that it doesn't need to be said---they're dying in small bits each day, constantly. I mean, we all are---that's life & it's all intertwined, but perhaps it just bothers them a tiny bit more than your average person...Not to mention the "death" of poetry itself (have you noticed that each year now, during "National Poetry Month" all you see are a ton of articles about how poetry is OVER)...How touching...I would like to think that it IS only changing---Bring on the revolution...

And as for Chuck---I'm not shocked...I HAVE the record & yes, I've even listened to it!...It's great...But even before then (and it's hard to describe) I SENSED these things about him...Which is WHY I think he kicks ass so incredibly...I haven't known him anywhere near as long as yourself, have spent nowhere near as much time with him, etc...But I do somehow find myself worrying about him occasionally, which might be unneccesary, but it's not like I'm going to analyze it...So MY desire to adopt him probably has a couple more facets to it than the other girls in town...But since I can't cook, I'd make a shitty Mom...

Anyway, that's why it does sort of piss me off when I see people just thinking he's ALL about "Rockin", etc...Yes, he IS---and that IS genuine, but it's like---the more espansive your LIGHT is, the deeper your DARK, and then there's all that GREY in between...My REAL favorite shade, incidentally...

Now, I'm running late for work (again) & I'm feeling like a bit of a butthole for littering Deanne's entries with all of my ramblings...

Leaving the building (*EMOTIVE SIGH OF RELIEF*)...

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Saying What You Mean Does Not Count... (none / 0) (#9)
by Dead Air (deadair3@lycos.com) on Wed Aug 8th, 2001 at 04:41:52 AM PDT
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...When You Post Anonymously.

Yes there are varying degrees of anonymoty on this site, but for some reason (or motive) you chose the most extreme.

For the record, I am not only a cold-hearted friend, I am THE cold-hearted boyfriend. Believe it or not, Ms. SLeopard and I have talked long and hard about faithfullness, albeit in private. For me to comment about it here would be extremely tasteless in my own assessment. I don't believe drunken online ramblings are nescessarily a "cry for help", and I certainly don't remember "crying over poetry" myself (can you provide an example?)

(Now I'm going to go ahead and do a bit of what I just said I wouldn't do here...) SL is a wonderful girlfriend, and I love her very much. I continue to marvel at how well we fit together more each day. So if she has some issues with jealousy I really don't mind. Recent experience has taught me that it is much better if partners care about these things than if they don't. All I really need to do is live up to my own standards, which I intend to do.

You want a cry for help? Go listen to the Cure.

Oddly, I do things other places.
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trying to be helpful (none / 0) (#7)
by Lame Old Diaries Hag on Tue Aug 7th, 2001 at 05:47:30 AM PDT

I'm so sorry your friends are so cold. You are obviously crying for help and all they can do is cry about poetry.

It's obvious you are trying to tell someone something about you and no one is listening. Is it that you think your boyfreind will be unfaithful because you are in your soul? Do you honestly belive that you have transcended everything and never lie, even to yourself? I say this refering to your entry... "an intelligent assesment, a risky entry". Because it sounds like you did a lot of lying to yourself then.

Look you are trying to say something, so really say it! Stop being a self serving poet and just say it.

I just need to have my say -AGAIN- because--- (none / 0) (#8)
by ceruleannina on Wed Aug 8th, 2001 at 01:50:58 AM PDT
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Whoever you are, you have found me out.

You're absolutely right, I'm a cold-hearted bastard and extremely self-centered. I don't think of ANYONE but me, me, ME!!!...Why???...Because -I- am what the whole fucking world revolves around!!!...

All of these tangents concerning my oh-so-deep thoughts and my oh-so-huge heart are REALLY just a shoddy disguise...Hence, all of the rose-red drama I paint them in...

If you'll notice---I did realize how out of control our completely unrelated comments had gotten and I confessed to feeling like an asshole (even though I was trying to cut back on the cursing for a half a second there)...

Maybe I should apologize for being the type who prefers to listen (which I can only hope I'm okay at), instead of giving advice (which I know I suck at), when it isn't asked for...Maybe I AM only thinking of myself when I say I believe that people write FOR themselves...And this INCLUDES diary entries, even if they're public ones...Sure it's nice to get a comment here and there, to have a laugh or expand our understanding of one another, or to get a nice compliment, even...

But do any of us come here for psychoanalysis, be the shrink a friend or a stranger?...I think not....

But I do agree fully with that last bit, about saying what you mean...I can appreciate that you yourself did...And that's all I'm doing here, too...:)

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oh christ, for fuck's sake (none / 0) (#12)
by severedleopard on Wed Aug 8th, 2001 at 07:58:52 AM PDT
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don't bother, girl. this person person posted as lame-oid hipter, and then "lucy" something- or- other. hey, call me. i'm home now.

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replies blah blah blah (none / 0) (#11)
by severedleopard on Wed Aug 8th, 2001 at 07:50:45 AM PDT
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i'd like to reply to ceruleannina's comment: i forgot that particular cure quote, from the song "the figurehead"- i meant to include that, there are so many wonderful tragi-romantic cure lyrics, and that was one that i was trying to remember for that poll. just to make up for it, tonight at karaoke (since i'm on vacation and don't have to work tomorrow, i went), i was on stage about to sing "just like heaven". at the very beginning i said: okay mothafuckas, put yo hands in the air if you love the cure" and then all these kids totally put their hands in the air and screamed. then i said "if you don't love the cure, you can put your hands right up yo ass", and everyone screamed, and it was great!!!! yay!!!. i was karaoke queen this evening. before that i did "suddenly last summer" by the motels.

i'm pretty sure that it's TODD LEDFORD who wrote this weird comment to my diary entry i wrote while in sacremento with a cheap glass of wine in my hand. todd is the boy i drove away from in austin, texas, unfortunately. but not so, since the communication was never good. so, since we have never been able to talk honesly, todd, in person, and you have been reading this stuff and trying to psycoanalyze me indirectly like this, all i have to say is a big huge WHATEVER. actually, my friends are anything but cold, i love them so much. they are warm, friendly, fuzzy, and wonderful. i was feeling lonely since driving to CA by myself and my nephew was being a little brat (though angelic at the same time. strange, isn't it??? how can two contradictory situations can exist at the same time? but you wouldn't understand). so whoever this is, probably todd, don't go there. my friends are real and wonderful and there for me. you wouldn't even know. if i cried for help, it'd be much more akin to paul's recent one. and my boyfriend loves me- i was just ranting which i'm allowed to do in my diary. toodles.

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Thanks for saying what's on your mind. (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by lucyfelldown on Wed Aug 8th, 2001 at 04:43:56 AM PDT
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And I apologize for not taking credit for the first comment.

Well I guess everyone told me . . . (none / 0) (#13)
by lucyfelldown on Thu Aug 9th, 2001 at 02:12:41 AM PDT
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Two things:

1)Lucy is a boy, don't be gender-centric

2)You're a bunch of whiners. It's OK to post a comment, as long as it's something that you want to here. Or is it you don't like it when people disagree with you? Tell me is everyone in Olympia facist?

No (none / 0) (#14)
by Dead Air (deadair3@lycos.com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2001 at 02:42:53 AM PDT
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But we DO know how to spell it.

Oddly, I do things other places.
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I wish I'd said something earlier.... (3.00 / 1) (#15)
by CatLover on Thu Aug 9th, 2001 at 04:45:42 AM PDT
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...because I liked your contribution. It was fair less self-conscious than the usual comment. It WAS a comment, instead of another moment grabbed in the spotlight. It actually responded to something that preceded it! You actually listened to and thought about SOMEONE ELSE! Sadly, that's something of a novelty in Olympia. I wouldn't say we're all fascists -- narcissists would be closer.

I also admired the way you apologized for posting anonymously, and subsequently posted under a name. It would have been so much easier, and so much more typical, to respond with belligerence.

If you ARE some exboyfriend of SL's who's stalking her in an odd way, then you're kind of scary and I hope you fade away. But I enjoyed your comments, so I hope you're not a whacko, and I hope you'll post more.

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Thanks to CatLover! To all the rest of you . . . (none / 0) (#18)
by lucyfelldown on Fri Aug 10th, 2001 at 05:33:39 PM PDT
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So if I deny being this Todd person, it doesn't matter because you'll think I am anyway. However, I'd like to quiet your mind by letting you know I am not. It sounds like I should be very thankful I'm not an ex of yours. I'm actually some random guy who stumbled on to the site sometime ago. It was intriguing until recently, then you all just got scary. Was my initial comment that offensive, really? I toyed with the idea of posting a diary myself and tested the waters by posting a comment instead. Good thing I did. What I found instead of the community of thinkers I remember from Olympia were a bunch of oppressive idiots would rather circle jerk with each other than let an unknown in. Why make such a big fucking deal about it, unless it's something you don't want to think about. You feel everything was so insulting because you can't take it. I think it's obvious this "Todd" drove you completely insane because you seem to be a paranoid delusional schizophrenic. (By the way, you owe him an apology for slandering him online) The first few lines of the comment were sarcasm, nothing more nothing less. It wasn't phony or self-conscious; you just read into it what you needed to get indignant about. The only reason I remembered "all the details" was because I read the entry. Remembering isn't hard to do because any given entry only lasts several paragraphs. BTW, you did refer to Lucy as "that girl" and I wanted to point out that I wasn't a girl. It's a female thing to assume that it's another female and act out of jealousy and insecurity. Which you seem more than capable doing. Also, as a direct comment to your "risky entry", I think it's totally bogus. If you really were in Olympia a few years ago you remember that ludicrous smear campaign some women chose to do. It was regarding questionable male behavior. Some justified some not. Well, it's a bunch of bullshit. No one could go downtown with feeling like they were being dragged into a big drama. It was like a scene from West Side Story. People felt like they had to take sides, because someone was a friend with whomever. Is that the kind of atmosphere you want to create? Hatred and fear and loathing? That comment about running people out of town was disgusting. As far as everything else goes . . .. If you don't want anyone to "criticize" or "go there" or "assume", maybe you should just keep a dairy by the bed instead.

Let It Go. (none / 0) (#19)
by Dead Air (deadair3@lycos.com) on Fri Aug 10th, 2001 at 09:27:15 PM PDT
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If you aren't SL's ex, you sure are quite obsessed with her for some reason. Criticism is one thing, putting people down who you don't know and hopefully will never meet is another. You say others can't handle criticism because they criticize you (for calling them "cold".) If you really are so glad not to be SL's ex, maybe you should stop trying to bicker with her and her friends as if you were. I really don't care what you think about me, Olympia, or "facists", but I really am beginning to feel like you are harrassing my girlfriend, and that does matter to me.

Oddly, I do things other places.
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Bickering? (none / 0) (#22)
by lucyfelldown on Fri Aug 10th, 2001 at 10:38:52 PM PDT
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Obsessed with your girlfriend? Gimme a break. For someone who has so much to say and uses this forum to say it, you sure are unappreciative of what someone else has to say. To say that I'm putting people down is very hippocratical, don't you think? Especially since I was rebutting some comments you and others had made, which were sounding like put downs themselves? Now . . . if you had really wanted to let it go, neither one of you would have commented back, would you?

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You Know What, You Have a Point There... (none / 0) (#24)
by Dead Air (deadair3@lycos.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2001 at 09:16:51 PM PDT
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Well, atlthough you did start the put-downs by calling me "cold", you are right about something here. I do use this website to go on about myself an awful lot; my band, my radio show, my job, the town I live in, my history. And now you want to join in and I go and shoot you down. I am truly sorry.

So why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? Where do you live? What do you do? What's your favorite color (mine's gray so don't hold back)? What are your goals in life?

I really feel bad for mistaking your desire to talk about yourself for desire to talk about SL. She's not even worth it anyway. Lets get aquainted!

Oddly, I do things other places.
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You're right (none / 0) (#20)
by severedleopard on Fri Aug 10th, 2001 at 09:48:35 PM PDT
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You're absolutely right- I have had so many bouts with mental illness, you don't even know. I must have written all of that stuff when I couldn't find my meds. Could you refer me to a good therapist? Sounds like you used to live in Oly, so maybe you'd know someone around here....actually, i'm probly on verge of being commite4d to western st. hospital, a subsidiary of dshs no no not the helicopters anything but pleaseeeeeeee......So nevermind the referal. I'm sure they have plenty of decent, hard-working doctors there, maybe even some cute ones (wink, wink).

Oh, by the way, I think I know now why you misunderstood the whole "gender" thing- I was replying to ceruleannina no no wait turtles, everywhere arrrrrghoiatuoi4reh okay anyway, and i said "don't bother, girl", which is why i think you thought i was saying you yourself are female.

did any9one ever tell you who i really am? probsaly not i am jehovah goddess motha fuckaaaaaassss. i see visions and know things you do not. i can also move things from 2500 miles away aroooooooo. so beware, and thanks but no thanks for your friendly advice kids. toodles.

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Damn, she IS Crazy After All! (none / 0) (#21)
by Dead Air (deadair3@lycos.com) on Fri Aug 10th, 2001 at 09:53:01 PM PDT
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That's it bitch, it's over. You need help. I feel like such a fool for being taken in. Now I'll probably never see that money I loaned you again. You probably spent it on crack, you whore. I can't believe I argued with these reasonable people on your behalf. Get some help, fast, but don't call me, I'm changing my number and blocking your e-mail address. I'm so sorry guys, all I can say is, she was really good in bed, and it must have blinded me. Nothing is worth this.

Oddly, I do things other places.
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NoNoNoNONONoNoNoNoNoNoNONONO...NO!!!... (none / 0) (#23)
by ceruleannina on Sat Aug 11th, 2001 at 12:26:30 AM PDT
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You guys seem to be forgetting one important fact...

Oh, let me take it upon my FRIGID, ICE-COLD, GLACIER-LIKE HEART to give you the gift of a clue...

IT'S ALL ABOUT ME!!!

ME! ME!

ME!

I mean, JUST LOOK at what -I- managed to start with just one measly fucking comment...

You can feel free to send your thanks to that ingenious e-mail address up there...

And please don't feel bad about being a sychophant...

I love you ALL, my DAHH-LINGS...

*kiss-kiss*

Oh, please...there isn't any need to bow...I KNOW I'm amazing...And PLEASE, quit crying...You're ruining your make-up, sweets...

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